#ferrix is to andor what jedha is to rogue one

[jeronandor]

Ferrixians and Jedhans

[broadacre]

My sister and I have been rewatching Star Wars in our own Machete order (Andor, Rogue One, IV, V, I, II, III, VI), we're almost halfway through and it's been an interesting watch so far.

Having not watched it in many years, A New Hope really felt different this time. A throwaway line like "The Emperor has dissolved the Senate", suddenly had weight, like, that was Mon Mothma's battleground! For two seasons, she tried to stop Palpatine through politics, uselessly because there was no way he would surrender his power, you just can't negotiate fairly with fascism.

Another thing is Han Solo's "You have no chance against the Empire, so why bother" and Luke's "I'm just a farmer, I can't fight the Empire", now I can say I really get it because Andor has already depicted people in their position. Luke's horrifying loss of aunt Beru and uncle Lars now echoes Cinta's backstory of her family being killed by stormtroopers, Wilson's dad getting tortured to death, and Andor's adoptive dad's hanging. Also, Han is just season 1 Andor, he wants money, doesn't believe in the Force, and wears striped pants. But, like Cassian, he has a change of heart (although it only takes him two in-movie days) and joins the rebellion.

And to conclude for now, the destruction of the Death Star... simply poetic (even the music helps). It's the revenge of the Ghor, of the people of Ferrix, Aldhani, Jedha, of the Ersos, Nemik's, it's Saw Guerrera's dream, Maarva's, surely Kleya's too, what Luthen died for. After so many losses and sacrifices, finally, a huge win for the Rebellion. Truly cathartic.

[oh-three]

Andor S2E12:

I'm not ready for this.

"I'm not leaving you here." Well, we don't see Kleya in Rogue One, so something tells me she gets caught anyway.

Melshi running away when he was told not to make any sudden movements lmfao

Oop, flashbang.

No, but they really did a shot of Melshi taking cover, holding his blaster up, just like the scene we saw him in in Rogue One before it cut to his body. That's fucked up, thanks for that.

Kay going on a rampage >>

"What's the closest Tactic unit we have in here?" / "Apparently everyone's out running down the emergency disease warrant." The irony.

Kay using an ISB soldier as a human shield

K-2SO rescuing their asses like on Jedha. Ayyyy.

Basically, if Cas didn't snag Kay off of Ghorman, they'd all be dead rn.

The music in the Yavin hangar >>>

Saw arguing with the Yavin cell lol

Hey, he's got his mask thing now. (I honestly don't know if it's rhydonium or air to help him breathe)

Bail & Mon bonding over the frustration of the lack or organization lol

Merrick mention (I was hoping we'd see more of him in Andor, rip)

"I plan to tell them I was kidnapped." waves at one of the pilots

Kay, never change.

Draven really had a whole garrison waiting for them, oop.

Oooh, they assembled the Rebel Council.

Oooh, Raddus :D

Cassian defending Luthen against the whole Council >>>

They really just sent Cassian to his room, damn.

Mon being the only one backing Cassian ❤️

(also, shout out to Raddus for being reasonable)

Ooof, Kleya looks rough.

Oh good, just as I was beginning to worry that we wouldn't get to see Vel before the end of the episode.

"He's been grounded." All of these childhood metaphors are killing me.

Oooh, Vel gets to spy on Cassian. Which means she's definitely gonna talk to him. Theoretically. WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM ON-SCREEN TOGETHER SINCE RIGHT AFTER ALDHANI.

Damn, we really are leading right up to Rogue One.

"Gorn, Nemik, Taramyn, Cinta…" Glad to be seeing them mentioned.

Vel bring up everyone that died on Ferrix 😭

Vel not even trying to spy, but asking directly upfront is such a Vel thing to do.

Heheh, she believes him.

NEMIK'S MANIFESTO?! STOPPPP 😭

Bringing us right back to the beginning with that one, pal.

Oh, holy fuck, Partagaz was listening to it 💀

WHAT THE FUCK.

Man really realized fighting the rebels was never gonna be a winning battle and that he'd rather die than get tortured for failing to contain the Death Star info.

"She wouldn't be safe with me." 😭

He really was thinking about going back to Bix, before… 😭

"Don't wait too long." Speaking from experience 😭

Vel comforting Kleya >>

Draven giving Kay and Melshi back as a peace offering before he goes crawling back asking Cassian to meet Tivik lol

Ooh, a Kassa flashback.

"Waking up humans is always confusing." Love you too, Kay.

The funny thing about this leading up directly to Rogue One is that Bail has longer hair in Rogue One than he does in Andor.

Cas walking through the Yavin base in his Rogue One outfit is really hitting hard right now.

The extra focus they're putting on the other people and on the base as he walks through it, reminding us that this'll be the last time he's there for more than a day before he's killed 😭

Fuck you, Perrin

People that lived that I thought wouldn't: Vel, Wilmon, Bix, Dedra, Kleya

They really put Dedra on Narkina 5 though. That's fucking hysterical.

The way the Force healer's watching Cassian 😭

The shot of Saw in the window we see him die in later.

Krennic on his star destroyer, looking out at the Death Star.

God, I was so not fucking ready for this.

Ohhhhhhh. Bix went back to B2EMO. That makes sense.

THEY HAD A CHILD?!?!

God, it makes so much more sense why Bix left now.

I can't believe it's over, holy shit, I was not prepared for that 😭

Thank you, Tony Gilroy. What a ride.

[suleikazuleika]

Rebels/Andor Chronological Marathon

Once Andor finishes, I was contemplating rewatching both Rebels and Andor in chronological order to see how it changes the storytelling/tone of the other.

I'll probably tweak this list as canon evolves.

Season ONE

Tales Of The Empire Ep. 2 "The Path of Anger"

Rebels Shorts 1-4

Rebels Ep. 1-2 "Spark of Rebellion"

Andor Ep. 1 "Kassa"

Rebels Ep. 3 "Droids In Distress"

Andor Ep. 2 "That Would Be Me"

Rebels Ep. 4 "Fighter Flight"

Andor Ep. 4 "Reckoning"

Rebels Ep. 5 "Rise of the Old Masters"

Ep. 6 "Breaking Ranks"

Ep. 7 "Out of Darkness"

Andor Ep. 4 "Aldhani"

Rebels Ep. 8 "Empire Day"

Ep. 5 "The Axe Forgets"

Rebels Ep. 9 "Gathering Forces"

Andor Ep. 6 "The Eye"

Rebels Ep. 10 "Path of the Jedi"

Andor Ep. 7 "Announcement"

Rebels Ep. 11 "Idiot's Array"

Ep. 12 "Vision of Hope"

Andor Ep. 8 "Narkina 5"

Ep. 9 "Nobody's Listening!"

Ep. 10 "One Way Out"

Ep. 11 "Daughter of Ferrix"

Rebels Ep. 13 "Call to Action"

Ep. 14 "Rebel Resolve"

Andor Ep. 12 "Rix Road"

Rebels Ep. 15 "Fire Across the Galaxy"

Season TWO

Rebels Ep. 1-2 "Seige of Lothal"

Ep. 3 "The Lost Commanders"

Ep. 4 "Relics of the Old Republic"

Ep. 5 "Always Two There Are"

Ep. 6 "Brothers of the Broken Horn"

Forces of Destiny Ep. 7 "The Stranger"

Rebels Ep. 7 "Wings of the Master"

Forces of Destiny Ep. 13 "Accidental Allies"

Ep. 8 "Blood Sisters"

Ep. 9 "Stealth Strike"

Ep. 10 "The Future of the Force"

Ep. 11 "Legacy"

Ep. 12 "A Princess On Lothal"

Andor Ep. 1 "One Year Later"

Ep. 2 "Sagrona Teema"

Ep. 3 "Harvest"

Forces of Destiny Ep. 4 "Jyn's Trade"

Ep. 8 "Bounty of Trouble"

Rebels Ep. "The Protector of Concord Dawn"

Ep. 14 "Legends of the Lasat"

Ep. 15 "The Call"

Ep. 16 "Homecoming"

Ep. 17 "The Honorable Ones"

Ep. 18 "Shroud of Darkness"

Ep. 19 "The Forgotten Droid"

Ep. 20 "The Mystery of Chopper Base"

Andor Ep. 4 "Ever Been To Ghorman?"

Ep. 5 "I Have Friends Everywhere"

Ep. 6 "What A Festive Evening"

Rebels Ep. 21-22 "Twilight Of The Apprentice"

Season THREE

Forces of Destiny Ep. 1 "Hasty Departure"

Rebels Ep. 1-2 "Steps Into Shadow"

Ep. 9 "Newest Recruit"

Ep. 16 "Crash Course"

Ep. 3 "The Holocrons of Fate"

Ep. 4 "The Antilles Extraction"

Ep. 5 "Hera's Heroes"

Ep. 6 "The Last Battle"

Ep. 7 "Imperial Supercommandos"

Ep. 8 "Iron Squadron"

Ep. 9 "The Wynkahthu Job"

Ep. 10 "An Inside Man"

Ep. 11 "Visions and Voices"

Ep. 12-13 "Ghosts of Geonosis"

Ep. 14 "Warhead"

Ep. 15 "Trials of the Darksaber"

Ep. 16 "Legacy of Mandalore"

Rebels Ep. 17 "Through Imperial Eyes"

Andor Ep. 7 "Messenger"

Ep. 8 "Who Are You?"

Ep. 9 "Welcome to the Rebellion"

Rebels Ep. 18 "Secret Cargo"

Ep. 19 "Double Agent Droid"

Ep. 20 "Twin Suns"

Ep. 21-22 "Zero Hour"

Season FOUR

Rebels Ep. 1-2 "Heroes of Mandalore"

Ep. 3-4 "In the Name of the Rebellion"

Ep. 5 "The Occupation"

Ep. 6 "Flight of the Defender"

Ep. 7 "Kindred"

Ep. 8 "Crawler Commandeers"

Ep. 9 "Rebel Assault"

Ep. 10 "Jedi Night"

Ep. 11 "DUME"

Ep. 12 "Wolves and a Door"

Ep. 13 "A World Between Worlds"

Ep. 14 "A Fool's Hope"

Ep. 15 "Family Reunion – and Farewell"

Andor Ep. 10 "Make It Stop"

Ep. 11 "Who Else Knows"

Ep. 12 "Jedha, Kyber, Erso"

ROGUE ONE

A NEW HOPE

[e-the-village-cryptid]

What did you think of Rogue One?

Ah boy. Ok. First, a disclaimer that this is just my opinion, not me declaring some objective truth about the movie. Just because I felt one way about something doesn't mean I think everyone has to feel that way. If people really liked the movie, I am honestly happy for them! And if you really liked the movie to the point where someone disliking it will upset you, you may want to stop reading now. That said, here's my review.

Overall, I'd give the movie 2.5 stars on a scale of 1-5. Maybe 3 if we're being generous, because it was fun to watch in a casual way at some points, and some things were done well— Jyn's character and Galen's moral quandary were the high points for me. Everything else, though— storytelling, sense of place & visual feel, dialogue, characterization, most of the action sequences, overall plot— was disappointing to me. There was very little originality to be had in any of it, and although of course things don't have to be wildly original and never-been-done to be good, it felt like I'd already seen this movie a hundred times, except done better. Most of all, the majority of it felt flat and lifeless. It would have been extremely forgettable to me if not for Andor having already made me care about some of its characters.

Things I liked:

Jyn as a character. She has an interesting backstory, was well-acted, and has a depth and dimension that I feel the other characters were missing. I am very curious why, upon seeing that movie, the decision was made to dive into Cassian's backstory instead of Jyn's (although of course I'm glad we got Andor!). I think Jyn's time growing up being trained by Saw Gerrera would make quite an interesting story. (Watching her singlehandedly wreck like 12 people while Cassian watched in awe was definitely fun, haha.)

Galen's choice. I think this posed a truly interesting question. Was it true that the Death Star would have just been built without him? Would the destruction of Alderaan have happened without him? Did building in the flaw make up for the fact that he still in fact built it? Did his choice save lives or destroy them? Did he do it because he truly believed he could save lives that way, or because he was just trying to stay alive himself? Was it bravery or cowardice, or both in some strange combination?

K2. He was fun to watch, good comic relief, and I empathized with him a lot.

The death scene on the Scarif beach. Beautifully shot, acted, and directed. No notes.

The music. Lovely, orchestral, classic Star Wars scoring.

Things I didn't like:

My main issue with the movie is how flat everything felt. The characters, the setting— everything felt lifeless. It was hard to get emotionally invested because nothing felt like there was a true spark of life behind it. I'll go by points here.

The settings. The visual effects fell flat to me, but even beyond that, there was no humanity behind places like Jedha. It felt like the extras were told to mill back-and-forth aimlessly in front of the camera, rather than being given something to do that would give us a background glimpse into the culture of a place, as on Ferrix in Andor. The lack of depth to the setting made the locations feel like sets, not planets, and made it hard to feel a real sense of place and emotional connection.

Pretty much every character except Jyn was completely one-dimensional. None of them felt like real people at all, just devices to move the plot along. They each had their character archetype and were not allowed to deviate from it at all, and their choices came not from their characterization or their motivations, but from whatever the story needed in that moment. Their decisions felt contrived, making the characters not believable as people.

Many parts of it felt afraid of genuine emotion. It would pull back on the sincerity right as people died, refusing to actually let the emotional impact hit. Maybe this is a function of being directed at a younger audience, I don't know, but to me it felt like a refusal to take the world and people seriously in a way that affected my emotional investment.

The plot felt like a straight highway where you can see right through to the end and there's nothing by the wayside but endless fields of corn. I'm not even asking for twists, it's just... there was just not much there at all. No real arcs aside from the main one of getting the death star plans, no interesting or unexpected wrenches in the main plan, just... bland.

The action sequences were almost comically cliched. Nothing wrong with some well-used tropes, but after the second time Jyn wound up hanging off some ledge by one hand and had to dramatically haul herself back up, I could no longer keep from rolling my eyes.

Much of the dialogue was stiff and not believable. It didn't feel like people talking, it felt like the writers trying to deliver information.

The blocking was often very contrived and awkward to the point of feeling goofy.

Wow, they really managed to pull the "magical Asian" trope AND the "blind but can ~sense~ everything around them so don't worry they're not actually disabled" trope in one character. Really being efficient here.

(Also, not a critique but I am so genuinely confused on why they were all so dismissive of Chirrut. They treated him like just a wannabe, but... The man can literally dodge bullets and read minds, why the fuck is that not impressive or even like... useful to any of you?? Truly baffling, I do not understand it at all. "He's not actually a Jedi, so his ability to do crazy levels of Force magic that none of us can do doesn't really count" huh????)

(Also not a critique, just another thing I'm confused about now after watching— Why has Saw been so vilified, in canon and by fandom? "He's an extremist" everyone here is literally involved in a violent rebellion, he's doing the same thing "He's uncooperative with the other rebels" Rogue One also went rogue, because the other rebels were wishy washy and unwilling to commit "using Bor Gullet to read people's minds is so unethical" no more unethical than shooting your own source in the back of the head. What happened to enjoying grey morality? Anyway I stan Saw forever.)

[eveningdawn222]

I might be giving too much grace but I actually think that's the point. An underlying theme of Andor that I haven't really seen addressed that much is that no one really knows the full scope of everything. Thousands of martyrs forgotten because no one survived to remember what they did for the cause. The slight retcon of Cassian's backstory from Rogue One is an example of this - Cassian's lies become real because there's simply no one there to remember that they aren't.

No one knows Bail did half that stuff - because it has to be secret. No one knows that Cassian is the one who rescued Mon (not even Bail if I'm reading the scene right) because it had to stay secret.

To Cassian, and to the audience (who knows what Luthen has done), it is an injustice for his death to not be taken seriously. But to the leaders of the rebellion who have largely not had to deal with the gritty, dirty, horrible choices that Luthen had to make...well. What do they really know about him? Do they even know about Aldahni?

The thing is that the Rebel Alliance, with its leaders who have been leaders and important figures since before the Smpire, has a bit of a detachment from real, underground struggle. Bail Organa had to operate right under the Empires nose, but...Luthen is the one who has been funding, connecting, and developing guerrilla forces in places far, far away from Coruscant. The Rebel Alliance wouldn't even be on Yavin if it weren't for Luthen (at least that is what is implied). We see how their relative safety has shielded them with Mon, when Luthen kills Tay Kolma - we have no doubt Mon is dedicated to the cause, but she is still visibly distraught over something necessary.

This isn't to say that anyone is in the wrong, or that people like Mon and Bail are safe - just...safer. Shielded from the direct, immediate consequences and realities of life under the Empire in a way that people like Cassian and Luthen aren't.

But no one in that room has the full picture - Cassian doesn't know that Bail Organa even knew Jedi, Bail Organa doesn't know that Cassian was witness to the genocide of the Ghor, that Luthen was the one who connected so many of the people now in the Rebellion.

For what they know about Luthen - I'm going to take a educated guess and say they see him in the same way they see Saw - misguided, useful, if only they would do what the Rebel Alliance wants. Unknowing, of course, that in many ways the Rebellion owes its existence to them.

And this is why Draven and Mon are the most sympathetic to Cassian - because they know him, and (it's implied in Draven's case) they know Luthen.

The Rebellion, no matter how much some members want it to be, is not an uber-organized force. They are a group with a thousand different factions and the movers and shakers never know as much as they think they do. Bail created the Rebellion just as much as Luthen, just as much as Padme, just as much as Nemik, just as much as Cassian, just as much as Saw, as that bellhop on Ghor - the Rebellion isnt one man's cause. It is the cause of every single person who stood up and did what they can, no matter how small.

And for the most part, no one will ever know what happened. There just isn't anyone to remember. They're all dead. Bail Organa's memories of the Jedi die with him on Alderaan. Cassian's memories of Ferrix, of the Ghor, of his home planet, of Luthen - they die with him on Scarif. Saw's memories of Anakin Skywalker, of his sister, of the Clone Wars - they die with him on Jedha. But that doesn't mean they didn't matter.

I've gotten a little rambling, but my point is - Andor does a great job of making the Rebellion seem real. And the reality is - no one knows everything. So Cassian was right, to lecture them. Because they didn't know. Doesn't mean that nothing Bail did matters - it just means Cassian didn't know.

It seems a little hilarious to me that they have Cassian making the argument that the only reason any of them are here, the only reason the REBELLION exists at all, is because of Luthen... and he's saying it to BAIL FUCKING ORGANA.

I'm sorry, but while I am happy to accept that Luthen did do a LOT of things to keep the rebellion alive and likely recruited quite a few of the people on Yavin to this cause himself and trained them up, there are just as many if not more who are there explicitly because of BAIL ORGANA.

Bail Organa who began fighting the Empire the moment he showed up at the Jedi Temple the night of Order 66 and turned around to save any Jedi he could and then became a GETAWAY DRIVER as Yoda went to assassinate the Emperor and then proceeded to agree to take in Anakin Skywalker's child in order to hide her from the Empire.

Bail Organa who has literally been shown helping recruit the entire Ghost Crew and likely brought on the entire Phoenix Squadon and theoretically the entire Gold Squadron. Bail Organa who was the one who helped Riyo Chuchi try to fight for clone rights. Bail Organa who saw Ahsoka Tano on Naboo for Padme's funeral and immediately turns around to offer her a chance to join the rebellion which she does eventually choose to take. Bail Organa who eventually does allow his own DAUGHTER to join the rebellion and run missions when she's old enough.

You cannot convince me that somehow Luthen Rael is MORE responsible for the creation of the rebellion and its existence and people's involvement in it than Bail Organa. You can't.

[authoreeknight]

I keep thinking about what we actually know about Andor. I've spent way too much time speculating about Kenari and I've decided Gilroy purposely left it vague. Even the "industrial accident" story is suspect. That was the official Imperial storyline for Jedha in Rogue One and authoritarian regimes aren't usually imaginative in their lies so I'm betting it's "Atrocity Coverup Story #1". Interesting that the prohibition on travel to Kenari seems strong enough that Maarva didn't want any hint of it in Cassian's paperwork.

We don't even know exactly how old he was when Maarva, Clem, and B2 took him off in their hauler. He looked to me like he was either in or on the edge of his tween years.

The first hard data comes at age 13, when in the aftermath of Clem's hanging he goes after some Stormtroopers. He's subdued, charged with insurrection, destruction of Imperial property, and assault on an Imperial soldier, and sentenced to 3 years in Sipo Youth Center, getting out when he's 16.

He goes "straight into the mud" on Mimban as a cook, according to Luthen, and within six months figures out he's playing Popular Front Battle Simulator on Hard Mode, where your fellow factions can betray you and there are no respawns. Who was he fighting for? No data, though he does call the Separatists "Sep" and he doesn't use abbreviations for any of the other factions, which means to me either he was used to fighting with them or against them, you tend to use verbal shorthand for words you use a lot. Anyway, he decamps in the manner of Pistol in Henry V, stealing home to Ferrix to steal, using the old wreck of a hauler to stash stuff.

At some point he ends up with Clem's Bryar-model blaster. Maarva was smart enough to hide it from him in the aftermath of Clem's death.

Now we don't know when he started up with Bix, either romantically or in the scheme to sell stolen equipment. But we know the stolen equipment bit only goes back two years at most, because that's when Salman Paak got his transmitter. The romantic element has even less for us to go on beyond that fact that it existed. One possibility is before Clem's death and Sipo, but at 12 or 13 it seems more like he'd be sneaking over that wall into her place so he could use her good game controller. I think it's a lot more likely that it was when he was back from Mimban. Say he's 16-19, a toughened teen more or less and pushing all Bix's "bad boy with a heart of gold" buttons and probably adding a few she didn't know she had. Rebel newly without a cause. Whatever it was the evidence is it was pretty intense for both of them. She gets emotional in Ep 7 when she tells him to leave Ferrix ("for good" is implied but I don't remember it being spoken, though "forget about me" sounds pretty damn permanent). At Bix's very lowest point in the hotel after being tortured her brain went to him showing up to rescue her.

*Sniff*

For Cassian's part, when he crept over her wall in Announcement, he was more than a little intrigued at the idea that Timm had suspicions. Then upon his return to Ferrix he's back over that wall straight away and as soon as he learns she's in Imperial hands his only priority is getting Bix out of there, to the point where he'll mostly ignore Maarva's funeral as that distraction gives him his best shot. Brasso has to go spelunking in that tunnel under the hotel to give him Maarva's final message. Once again, we're short on facts, but I think it's safe to say that Bix is the most important romantic relationship in his life up to this point in S1. He sure didn't look up Peezos 'n Green Revnog on Niamos.

To me, Cassian's still enough of a mensch to risk it all to rescue Bix even if there wasn't so much as a romantic ember still glowing.

We also still don't know who told Luthen about him. Bix said it wasn't her and I believe her. That leaves Salman Paak as the only Ferrix person we know for sure met Luthen (according to information from his interrogation). Maybe he gave Luthen a rundown on potentials and Luthen settled on Bix as the most valuable for his current needs while he did his own research into Cassian. But now we're in the speculation weeds again.

I think that's enough for one Saturday night. I'm going to try to cut down my obsessing to an hour or so a week from now on.

[magicicapra]

okay buncha mostly incoherent and disordered bullet points bc you're insanely right* (* disclaimer: star wars is bad and i mostly care very little for it, so some of this stuff might be wrong. i did cross reference wookiepedia tho so it can’t be too bad) - jyn as born to lyra and galen on vallt in a literal prison and cassian as born on kenari and orphaned, with no adult guardians and no way off world. despite the less-than-acceptable (to say the least) conditions of their true homeworlds, both yearn in some ways to go back, even if cassian, specifically, is mostly neutral towards his life spent on ferrix. - their lives interrupted at first by the CIS (<- lol), when lyra is arrested and taken to vallt and when the corsair crashes near the children’s settlement - both of these incidents eventually lead to the first noted loss for the protagonists: krennic rescues galen and lyra (and then coercively recruits galen for the death star program, taking him from jyn), crash of the transpo corsair results in leader of cassian’s group getting killed - end of the republic sees both relocated: jyn to lah’mu and cassian to ferrix. making their first real, stable homes - deaths of lyra and maarva (at the hands of the empire no less) means the loss of the two’s remaining, definitional role models. - galen and cassian’s unwilling but forced roles (theoretical and practical, respectively) of the construction of the death star - both jyn and andor eventually end up yearning for a return to what they barely experienced but knew to be better, before the material needs of conflict destroyed their lives - jyn as being a part of a ragtag, hastily assembled team for her whole screentime vs. cassian’s past as merely an add-on to a hardcore rebel cell before being a part of rogue one. both share in isolation. - every place we see that cassian and jyn have gone have either been completely obliterated or otherwise despoiled by imperial presence. kenari’s stripmines, lyra’s death on lah’mu and galen’s on eadu, the destruction of jedha and scarif, imperial squatting on aldhani, occupation of ferrix, etc. - how deeply both saw and maarva believe in the rebellion, despite differences in their outlooks and  the amount of time they had to form their positions, as well as your previous mentioning of their hope for their successors. if one were to take a pessimistic reading, the true narrative purpose of jyn and cassian is to rectify nauseatingly large mistakes (galen’s work on the depth star, maarva’s presumptive ultimate failure to keep her planet free) - maarva’s posthumous speech at her own funeral greatly inspires her community, definitely a big spark for the rebellion in local space. the destruction of jedha is nothing but another entry in a glossary of tragedies for the rebellion. imagine, then, the collective bounceback and renewal of morale when the plans are transmitted from scarif. - how violently everyone meets their ends. gorn, barcona, and far and away most of rogue one is shot. nemik is crushed. bodhi is exploded. jyn and cassian are obliterated by a pressure and debris wave. their heroics are exclusively met with death.

there’s some parallel between jyn and cassian and parentage but i can’t make it coherent right now . but like.